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LGF Non-Sequitur of the Week

August 8, 2010

From the sophomore scientists of LGF, we have this bit of WTF:

Completely absent from this, of course, is any rational reason to believe that the size of icebergs has any relationship to warming, or that one incident means anything.

But what the hey? It’s SCIENCE!!!!!111 LGF style.

  1. Giles Corey
    August 8, 2010 at 4:05 pm | #1

    Correlation = causation, dude.

    • My Little Ponytail
      August 8, 2010 at 4:29 pm | #2

      It’s even worse than that. You can’t correlate one datum.

      • Giles Corey
        August 8, 2010 at 5:36 pm | #3

        forgot the /sarc tag.

  2. Heracles
    August 8, 2010 at 4:11 pm | #4

    Global Warming – the last refuge of the mentally deranged.

  3. August 8, 2010 at 4:13 pm | #5

    In the summer it gets hot. In the winter it gets cold. LOL morons.

  4. buzzsawmonkey
    August 8, 2010 at 4:31 pm | #6

    So the last time such a large chunk dropped off was in 1962—48 years ago?

    If “global warming” were such a big problem, there’d have been a hell of a lot more in the interim. Or we were at the same place in 1962 that we are now, which means there is no problem. Or something.

    Talk about irrelevant mishmash masquerading as thought.

    • My Little Ponytail
      August 8, 2010 at 4:38 pm | #7

      Yup. Allahfish.

    • Guggi
      August 8, 2010 at 4:42 pm | #8

      Serious question: do you really expect rational thinking of him ?

      • buzzsawmonkey
        August 8, 2010 at 4:55 pm | #9

        Interesting question. I expect both rational and non-rational thoughts from him, actually, since humans are only intermittently rational beings. I don’t necessarily expect that his rational thinking will lead to an intelligent or accurate conclusion, but I would expect some evidence of rationality when he’s trying to put forth what purports to be a rational argument.

        Unfortunately, a mishmash of unrelated factoids is not a rational thought stream.

      • Guggi
        August 8, 2010 at 5:12 pm | #10

        But this would require analytic thinking ;-) and we know that he hasn’t the skills for it.

      • Heracles
        August 8, 2010 at 5:46 pm | #11

        He is incapable of critical thinking and rationality.

    • Crashnburn01
      August 9, 2010 at 5:29 pm | #12

      Naw – we were too stupid back then to recognize the warning signs of AGW. It would take another 35 years or so for brilliant scientific minds like that of “Charles “Icarus” Johnson to develop and show the rest of us dopes the way…. or not!

  5. My Little Ponytail
    August 8, 2010 at 4:32 pm | #13

    And the theocrats of LGF respond:

    11 SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Aug 7, 2010 2:11:38pm 10

    re: #10 theheat

    As the deniers will say, “See, this is nothing new. What’s all the hysteria about?” As just about anyone in front of a microphone from the Right will say, “No worries, God will take care of us. “

    You know, it’s funny. The political religious right is constantly threatening folks with God’s wrath, but at the same time, they seem to deny that we could actually upset God enough to inspire Her to let us take our fair lumps for abusing our ecosystem.

    • doppelganger
      August 8, 2010 at 4:40 pm | #14

      notice how God is a female to this progressive.

      they deny God every chance they get, but if they are forced to admit there might be a God, they make it a feminist God

      • My Little Ponytail
        August 8, 2010 at 4:45 pm | #15

        I’m pretty sure SFZ purports to be a Jew, and I’m pretty sure that wasn’t no mamagod the prophets were talking to.

        But then in San Fran, they have all kinds of Jew-Bu’s, and various sundry strange mutants. My guess is that SFZ is a Jewgan.

      • NoMo
        August 8, 2010 at 5:10 pm | #16

        I’m also pretty sure Torah forbids the worship of false gods such as agw,but hey,with the progs rules are flexible.All about them good intentions and stuff. Things rightwingnuts don’t unnerstand.

      • NoMo
        August 8, 2010 at 5:12 pm | #17

        Their own speshul Jew fu?

  6. My Little Ponytail
    August 8, 2010 at 4:36 pm | #18

    A little desperate to go off-topic, I’d say:

    49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Aug 7, 2010 3:21:43pm

    By the way… regarding Michelle Obama’s vacation. In every picture of her I am seeing? She looks freakin’ fantastic.

    I think FBV knows the thread’s stupid, and wants to talk about anything but the topic.

  7. doppelganger
    August 8, 2010 at 4:38 pm | #19

    So the last time this happened was in 1982?

    and presumably this was the first time in the history of the earth that this has happened, right?

    Otherwise this has absolutely no value in predicting anything.
    If it happened 30 years ago, and other times throughout history, perhaps that’s because the earth has always warmed, and cooled.

    chuck you dipshit!

    • Guggi
      August 8, 2010 at 4:54 pm | #20

      1962 !!!

      • doppelganger
        August 8, 2010 at 5:04 pm | #21

        I saw that.
        even worse!

    • NoMo
      August 8, 2010 at 5:18 pm | #22

      OK,using half baked lgf logic here. Since the last few winters have been epic cold,really packing on the ice up north, wouldn’t it make sense for extra large ice “calves” to be dropped in the summer?

      • August 8, 2010 at 5:39 pm | #23

        Oh, stop being logical, sheesh… LOL

      • NoMo
        August 8, 2010 at 5:49 pm | #24

        :lol: :evil:

  8. August 8, 2010 at 4:45 pm | #25

    where is our favorite troll, sarahlover? I was having fun laughing at that asshat.

    • Guggi
      August 8, 2010 at 5:15 pm | #26

      You are sooooo pleasure-seeking ;-)

    • My Little Ponytail
      August 8, 2010 at 5:20 pm | #27

      Mom needs the computer to work this weekend?

      • Princess Natasha
        August 9, 2010 at 9:56 am | #28

        Its mom needs the computer to show her saggy unmentionable parts for 25 cents an hour on “Live S&M Webcam”… She works for the same outfit as the Weaselwhore.

    • Heracles
      August 8, 2010 at 5:48 pm | #29

      Cato has not taken a dump all week – the last I herd he was stuck on the toilet seat with Haku trying to help him get loose.

    • Arachne
      August 8, 2010 at 7:05 pm | #30

      Considering after it was proclaiming the triumph of supposedly getting the site shut down and then being challenged with the TOS agreement caused it to flee, it must have been pissed off to find out that the site is still here.

      That and the Baltimore police must have been laughing their collective asses off if it made its threatened phone call. Yeah, it’s so quiet in the City that they’ll just run out because a troll was cornered at a website. Either way, if it shows up again, I personally plan to ignore it and let it screech at itself.

  9. Opilio
    August 8, 2010 at 5:28 pm | #31

    Is there a place where WordPress comments go to die?

    I’ve tried posting a comment on this thread about 3 times now, and no dice. If this one makes it, then wassup with the other one? Is there a length limit or prohibition against using the word “fish”?

    • My Little Ponytail
      August 8, 2010 at 6:03 pm | #32

      Your comments are all out of jail. There are several things that trip the spam filter, and numbered lists are one of them.

      • opilio
        August 8, 2010 at 10:20 pm | #33

        Good to know. I shall not number, neither shall I list again.

  10. buzzsawmonkey
    August 8, 2010 at 5:44 pm | #34

    Speaking of extra-large calves, anyone heard from the Secretary of State recently?

    • NoMo
      August 8, 2010 at 5:51 pm | #35

      I think she went on Chelsea’s honeymoon.

      • Arachne
        August 9, 2010 at 10:56 am | #36

        I hear she gave a whopping $10 to the flood relief effort for Poc-E-ston.

  11. snowcrash
    August 8, 2010 at 6:17 pm | #37

    Any mention of frozen UFO’s in the iceberg? just kidding

  12. voltaires crack
    August 8, 2010 at 6:48 pm | #38

    LVQ is the Ted Baxter of climate science.

    • doppelganger
      August 8, 2010 at 7:05 pm | #39

      more like the Ted Haggard of climate science

  13. buzzsawmonkey
    August 8, 2010 at 7:14 pm | #40

    Hey, icebergs were burning back in 1929.

  14. tunnelrat
    August 8, 2010 at 8:08 pm | #41

    How does this glacier thing prove global warming? For that matter, how does it prove that global warming is man made?
    It means nothing, except to LVQ, the insane AGW alarmist kook.

    • My Little Ponytail
      August 8, 2010 at 8:36 pm | #42

      For the record, this was Chuck. But comment #196 is Lood:

      Yeah.

      ONe of the most difficult things about working in this field is that we keep telling people that things are bad and going to get much worse. Not enough of the right people listen.

      Then something like this happens and it confirms that we know what we are saying.

      But then comes the deep realization that almost no one in power will put together how bad this all really is or what the implications of what they are looking at are.

      We are still in a phase where he worst things – the things that would scare people who know what they are looking at green – are all happening elsewhere. Or, they are happening here, but we can mitigate them.

      Sure there is a massive wheat shortage world wide, but America still has reserves.

      What people don’t get is how finite that all is, and how our support systems are fading. They are fading, right in front of our eyes.

      We are still in a phase that is growing slowly worse. People think that at this rate we have centuries before having to worry. What they don’t get is that these things accelerate. They pick up speed. A loss of a Manhattan sized ice chunk, even one 4 times larger) once this years will soon be forgotten, but then comes the period where we lose several like that in a year.

      The drought in Russia or the heatwave in America seem like just bad weather now. But soon, that will become the new normal and bad weather by those standards will destroy entire crops across the globe.

      But out of sight, out of mind eh? By the time it is so bad that even someone like Rush or Palin could no longer deny a problem, it will be much too late to do anything to effectively mitigate it, and it will get vastly worse because it will keep accelerating to a new equilibrium.

      The new equilibrium we are pushing towards will not support our current population.

      If we cross those lines, the real hard choices about who lives and who dies, who eats and who doesn’t, who has children and who doesn’t, get made.

      Just blows right past any question of whether this actually proves anything.

      In fact,

      221 LudwigVanQuixote Sun, Aug 8, 2010 4:45:13pm

      re: #209 SixDegrees

      Perhaps not, but the occurrence of similar and even larger such calvings in the past make the tie to present-day warming weak, at best. It is, apparently, something that happens normally, if rarely.

      There are better measures out there. This one, not so much.

      Are you insane? Really? Those glaciers were stable for tens of thousands of years. But the old ice is breaking up in city sized chunks in the last few decades, at an accelerating pace.

      Yes there is a break up and refreeze cycle at the fringes. We are seeing losses far beyond that normal cycle.

      This is not something that happens normally prima fascia, since we are seeing the loss of old ice.

      This is a very striking measure, not a weak one.

      For you to pronounce that this is at best a weak tie – as if you have any idea what you are talking about is utterly arrogant, false, and frankly stupid.

      The guy’s insane.

      • doppelganger
        August 8, 2010 at 8:46 pm | #43

        Billions will die !

      • My Little Ponytail
        August 8, 2010 at 10:17 pm | #44

        Billions of prima fascia’s… :roll:

        Better go to Home Depot and get some more.

      • FurryOldGuyJeans
        August 8, 2010 at 10:29 pm | #45

        Of course Luddite thinks he will be one of the people who gets to make the decisions.

        He will be one of the first to get “culled from the herd” by the real decision makers.

      • August 9, 2010 at 5:45 am | #46

        Let me get this straight, Ludvig thinks the Peterson glacier and all these other glaciers have been “stable” for tens of thousands of years. He calls himself a scientist doesn’t know that glaciers are not stable by their nature? They advance, they retreat, they calve lumps off when they’re poking out to sea. It’s what glaciers do.

        Interesting things to note: The channel the glacier was sitting in was carved out by the glacier itself. Think about it for a moment. Ice floats. In order to have carved out that valley the sea level would have had to be a lot lower. And of course ice doesn’t have particularly good tensile strength, so when the sea levels rose and the water returned to that valley the glacier would have broken up in a pretty spectacular way.

        And that’s the thing. A massive portion of that glacier was floating on water. Water moves up and down. The ice, attached to land at one end and floating on water, would snap and break apart in those conditions just because that’s what ice does.

        A glacier calving cannot be linked to warming; the glacier calves because the weight if ice overcomes the ability of the glacier to hold together.

        So if I ever needed proof that Ludvig was an ignorant tool, this is it: he has no idea how a glacier works.

      • August 9, 2010 at 5:45 am | #47

        Of course it’s Petermann, not peterson.

  15. doppelganger
    August 8, 2010 at 8:47 pm | #48

    of old age!!

  16. KGB
    August 8, 2010 at 8:47 pm | #49

    All my tubes and wires
    and careful notes
    and antiquated notions.

    BILLIONS!

  17. vagabond trader
    August 8, 2010 at 9:49 pm | #50

    Think I’ll go calve a few ice cubes off the freezer and make a martini. :-)

  18. doppelganger
    August 8, 2010 at 10:09 pm | #51

    It’s just funny that snow in London. The snowiest winter in anybody’s
    memory the last few years was just anecdotal, but a single chunk of ice breaking off, which has happened plenty of times throughout history is iron clad proof

    Luddie you donkey!

    • FurryOldGuyJeans
      August 8, 2010 at 10:25 pm | #52

      There was also reports of snow in Australia (the desert outback) during their last summer.

      • doppelganger
        August 8, 2010 at 10:46 pm | #53

        Billions will freeze!

      • My Little Ponytail
        August 9, 2010 at 12:23 am | #54

        If we pass cap-n-tax.

  19. garycooper
    August 8, 2010 at 11:35 pm | #55

    ‘Ludes just gets nuttier and nuttier. Note, the deep concern of the original post is echoed and amplified in ‘Ludes’s hysterical response. Again, “proving” the two share a befuddled brain. ;)

    “Billions will die.” Not to beat a dead ice-calf, but isn’t that the best possible outcome for Gaia? Less of us Warming-Units to mess with the Natural Order?

    • Princess Natasha
      August 9, 2010 at 11:20 am | #56

      Blewdwig is the one in favor of killing people for denying Global Warming™ and refusing to submit to socialism, anyway, so WTF does he care if anyone dies? Gawd, that son of a bitch is stupid!!

  20. garycooper
    August 8, 2010 at 11:58 pm | #57

    Funny bit from climateaudit.org :

    http://climateaudit.org/2010/08/06/mosher-on-gavins-frustration/

    Mosher on Gavin’s “Frustration”
    Mosher writes in:

    Gavin explained his frustration stemmed from people asking the same question over and over when it was already answered. He then reveals something new and closes the thread. We carry on here with one unknown guy trying to defend mann.

    That’s the PROBLEM.

    Mann: 2+2=5
    McIntyre No, 2+2=4
    Mann: thats bizarre
    Mc: 2+2=4, just say it Mike
    Mann: it doesnt matter, look over here we say 3+3=6
    Mc: 2+2=4
    Mann: it doesnt matter, ask gavin
    Amac: ya 2+2=4
    Mann: it doesnt matter
    Mosher: Can anybody besides steve just say that 2+2=4
    Dehog: You said Piltdown Mann once.
    Mc: 2+2=4
    Gavin: it doesnt matter:
    Tiljander: 2+2=4
    Arthur Smith: I”ll look into it.
    Amac; 2+2=4
    Gavin: Can we change the subject, we said it doesnt matter.
    Mosher: can you say 2+2=4
    Lambert: Fuller is full of it.
    Bishop: Mike said 2+2=5, but 2+2=4
    Tamino: Bishop said 2+2=5
    Mc: Bishop was explaining Mann.
    Amac: 2+2=4
    Kloor: why can’t we reason together?
    Gavin: we try, but they wont read our answers.
    Amac: 2+2=4
    Gavin: There he goes again, please shut him up.
    Mc; 2+2=4
    RC commenter: Do your own science Mcintyre
    Mc: 2+2=4 is not publishable. Mann needs to correct this.
    Mann: its all in the SI
    Amac: hey mann website now says 2+2=4
    Gavin: The exact value of 2+2 is uninteresting. move along
    RC commenter: Hey McIntyre said 2+2=5
    Mc: no I didnt
    RC commenter: oops, my bad, but I’m right in spirit
    Gavin: discussion over, lets talk about the black list.
    Kloor: all you people who think 2+2=4, can discuss this further.
    Scientist: Tiljander’s paper wasn’t perfect, lets pressure test her.
    Amac: but 2+2=4
    Scientist: Can you give me a reading list?

    • My Little Ponytail
      August 9, 2010 at 12:20 am | #58

      You have to know the characters to get all of that, but, yeah.

      • garycooper
        August 9, 2010 at 9:24 am | #59

        I know…when I first read it, and posted it, I forgot that most people haven’t followed the “nontroversy” as devotedly as a few of us have. It’s some inside-baseball, this piece.

        I started talking about the AGW-myth at a family gathering a month or so ago, and all of a sudden I noticed a couple of my relatives looking at me kind of strangely. My aunt made a joke, something like “Boy, you’re really obsessed with this conspiracy, aren’t you?” I realized most people have only a surface-understanding of the issue, if that.

      • My Little Ponytail
        August 9, 2010 at 10:15 am | #60

        Mosher’s a hoot. He can be a little cryptic, but he’s the Taxfreekiller of the climate blogs. You just have to get used to him.

      • Sarahlover
        August 9, 2010 at 9:51 pm | #61

        So even your family is telling you that you are a raving conspiracy loon.

        Gary, you should notice that.

  21. kansas
    August 9, 2010 at 11:14 am | #62

    Sure is hot here in Kansas. Must be global warming because it hasn’t been this hot since the 1930′s. Oh wait………..

  22. Sarahlover
    August 9, 2010 at 9:53 pm | #63

    I have to say, I am starting to love your site. You brain trusts think that you can argue thermometers and giant ice sheets!

    Brilliant!

    Your parents must be so proud.

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