The Dishonesty of the Jazz Man over the NY Marist Poll
The Jazz Man is once again spinning poll numbers. A recent Marist poll of New York City voters shows that a majority oppose the 9/11 Ground Zero Islamic Colonial center. Rather than take into account the desires of New Yorkers, he puts his little spin on things. In a blatant sign of intellectual dishonesty, he harps on the fact a majority of Manhattanites support this abomination.
Does anyone notice the gap between the question and the results. Well here is the whole poll the Jazz Man is hiding.
The fact remains that 53% OF NY registered voters oppose the 9/11 Ground Zero islamic Colonial center. WHat the Jazz Man does is a typical elitist view, that only the opinion of Manhattan residents count. What this fraud doesn’t tell you is that vast majority of workers in Manhattan, live in the Outer Boroughs or the suburbs. Another fact the Jazz Man doesn’t says is that the majority of New York City residents, live outside of the Progressive paradise of Manhattan.
You are reading this correctly, out of a total population in New York City of close to 8.4 Million, 1.6 live in Manhattan. That comes out to around 20% of the total population. In the elitist viewpoint of the Jazz Man, the opinion of the other 80% of New York City residents don’t count. Never mind they pay taxes and work in Manhattan, he has the limousine liberal attitude that the NYC outer boroughs are just serfs who must bow to the demands of their Manhattan overlords. Sorry Charlie, as a former resident of Queens it doesn’t work that way.
This is just another example of his intellectual dishonesty and a failed attempt to smear the NY Post.
Only the “facts” needed to support the agenda need apply.
The spin on this is enough to power nearly the entire Eastern Seaboard.
This is just typical Leftist behavior. Behavior worthy of Dan Rather, I must say. The data doesn’t fit the narrative, so change the data. Fake but accurate!
More than a tad bit ironic that SChmuckie is using the same techniques he busted Danny Boy for using in 2004.
How the world turns.
What I see is an overwhelming thumbs down in just about every demographic. Except Manhattan.Loozard fail. Again.
All the facts that fit the agenda get printed.
If there are none of those, then just pull out of SChmuckie’s bunghole.
Eeeeewwwwwwwwww!
Oh fuck. I need a shower.
There is no such thing and if you say there is I’ll ban you.
Quick Charles, put up a post bashing Brietbart or Beck or Geller or Gingrich to divert the attention away from your petite faux pas.
Oh wait.. hey Charles you are on the ball today!
His jealousy over them knows no bounds.
Pamela has a book out, and he really can’t even snipe even if it doesn’t have, say, bestseller numbers in sales. After all, where’s HIS book? Oh yeah. That’s right. Selling about 20 copies total of a child’s garden of recipes to a select group of twits who don’t even expect to receive it in the mail.
Breitbart – yeah, he had that video snafu but oh my my, looks like this Shirley Sherrod really was a racist piece of crap who mistreated poor blacks when you pulled away her little camoflage of indignation and saw the roots of her rather sordid little past. Breitbart is still successful, still quoted, and still has a great traffic stream. And he’s not afraid to laugh at himself.
And Glenn Beck? He’s laughing all the way to the bank, there, Twitboy with a Tip Jar. Radio, television, books.
All three are household words, while you’re an internet joke.
What you said ten x over. lying pos he is..
Most of the first responders on 9/11, and their families, live in the outer boroughs. Most of the second responders—the construction workers and iron workers and the like who worked to clean up the mess—do, too.
City employees are required to live in the city, but Manhattan is too expensive for most of them, so they tend to live in the outer boroughs. So if the opinion of the police, firefighters, and other people who sacrificed the most on that day, and the cleanup crews who set such an example for the world afterwards count for anything, the thumbs-down on the Ground Zero Mosque is overwhelming.
The ignorant johnson lackeys don’t know Manhattan from Staten Island. This is the audience he cultivates,sarahlover dumb.
If I had to be even money, I’d bet that the people killed in the buildings were mostly from the outer boroughs and beyond. To cherry pick Manhattan isn’t so much dishonest as it is elitist.
Furthermore, he spins it as an issue of “religious freedom” ignoring the fact that the Muslims behind this are free to build the mosque anywhere else. Fucking idiot.
Oh, Muslims are free—perfectly free—to build a mosque anywhere they wish under American law.
And we are free—perfectly free—to say that we do not want a mosque in this particular location. That is not religious intolerance, but political awareness.
What a lying sack of shit he is! 62% of New Yorkers are opposed (and Charles if you did not realize it there is more to NYC then the Borough of Manhattan i.e. Brooklyn, Queens, Staten island and the Bronx, 29% support it and the rest are undecided. Btw Mayor Bloomberg’s popularity now is under 50%.largely because of the Mosque issue.
Counting on his lackeys and their ignorance of NYC geography.Typical progressive.
Via Weasel Zippers
Ronni says:
August 11, 2010 at 2:08 PM
Yup, rumor has it that Chucky is going to be the new bartender in Gutfield’s gay bar, located next to his favorite hamsters. I love the designated name they’ve proposed: “Suspicious Packages”. Chucky and the Muzzies and a goat – what a threesome that would be! Hmmm… Now that I think on it, chunky Chucky sort of does look like a goat, with that ponytail. Perhaps this is the cause of his newfound love for the Muzzie ‘race’ of perverts.
It’s because of that goat-tee he wears. Or was that a goatse?
For LGF, this would be the more candid headline:
MajorityPlurality ofManattanitesLiberals Support Cordoba House Mosquefrom the poll:
+29 dings for these ‘social/personal life’ observations from a decidedly alternate universe:
Is this asshat kidding?
Who is regulating salt?
Who is regulating transfat?
Who is requiring cars to be built so light they are inherently dangerous?
Who is telling people that they can and cannot smoke in their homes and cars?
Who is telling people that they MUST buy health insurance and what type of health insurance they must buy?
Who discarded the bankruptcy laws to make sure that the unions got a seat at the GM table?
Who required banks to make loans to people who didn’t qualify for them, thus creating the subprime mortgage market and thus the economic collapse?
Who decided that the air you EXHALE as a human being is a greenhouse gas an must be regulated?
Thanks for the partial list from the real world. Love to see these guys’ lists from their bizarro ASU.
who is telling us we can’t eat what we like or keep our thermostat set to whatever the he11 temperature we want.
who is dissing us for taking a junket to Vegas as flotus traipses around the Costa del Sol.
Grrr,I deeespise commies.
And most of all — who is digging further and further into our pockets to pay for travel and trips and private planes for dogs and Congressional families to those important foreign policy hotspots like Tahiti, Fiji, Dubai and Puerta Vallarta. But you, YOU must not go to Vegas and spend money, or to Hawaii and spend money, or anywhere and spend money.
Moochelle’s daughter wanted to go to Spain for her birthday. I’d like to remind Moochelle that there were probably a lot of kids who told their parents they’d like to go to someplace like Disneyland or Six Flags for their birthdays, but were told that the money wasn’t there right now. Well, we all know where the money actually was — in Marbella, buying Moochelle lobster.
They love Qur’an-&-Hadith thumpers…
Also, it should be…
GOP – Deregulate business, DO NOT regulate everyone else’s personal life
DNC – Regulate business, DO NOT stay out of everyone else’s personal life
Should be, but it seems like both are operating on the latter principle.
He does love to throw that “Constitutional” phrase around, doesn’t he? Let me spell it out for you in small words, Screeching Hyena. Refusing.to.allow.a.mosque.to.be.built.on.a.particular.location.is.not.abridging.freedom.of.religion. Outlawing.the.practice.of.Islam.is.
Another jackass who would have stood tall with the Neo-Nazis in Skokie.
Charles asks a stupid question and gets +14 dings. KingKenrod comes up with the correct answer and gets … 0 (probably reward enough to not be banned):
(from the subsequent Gingrich thread)
Good God, what a dumbfuck. Probably still can’t firgure out why Prop 8 passed in California 2 years ago….
/it’s the Latinos, stupid! They tend not to be hip with tEH GHeY marriage….
The Blacks, too. They do NOT as a group support gay marriage. My son has quite a few Black friends (and they were quite surprised when I told them that according to the Screeching Hyena, I’m a racist because of what I believe) and they all voted FOR Prop 8. They also voted for Obama. And guess what, Fat Fuck with a Dying Blog? They don’t think I’m a racist because I DIDN’T.
And frankly, I’ll take the approval of middle class Black Americans that don’t agree with me politically over expediently convenient turncoats with a tip jar.
(From the same Gingrich thread) If darthstar ever gets a stand-up gig in hell, and if there are lots of loozards there, he’s gonna be a hit (+17):
Wasn’t Ludwig enlightening us all on the correct interpretation of Jesus’ teachings? I forgot what Ludwig was saying about being pompous and sanctimonious. I’m sure that’s not a good think in the Book of Lud, no?
So now Quack Quack is an expert on:
Judaism
Christianity
Physics
Special Relativity
His navel lint
How DOES he fit his ego through the doorway?
You forgot the big one: Climatology.
Jeez, give the guy credit.
Oh, and Nazis. He’s a scholar of the Third Reich.
Don’t forget politics. Here Lud dispassionately analyzes all political party options, and – mirabile dictu – the only answer is the …… Dems, QED:
Quack Quack is a legend in his own mind. If he were really the Renaissance man he wishes the world to believe he is, he would by now have his own highly successful blog with thousands of followers hanging on his every word, giving them his daily Sermon on the Mount. The fact that he’s reduced to being the sefl-proclaimed giant among toadstools is all one needs to know in reading his latest rant to the truth existing in his own mind.
My my…..wasn’t it Bloomberg saying that if you weren’t from NYC and opposed the mosque, you should just STFU?
And now that some polling has been done, apparently it’s ‘If you aren’t from Manhattan, you need to STFU’. Typical moving the goalposts around in the middle of the game…
Bloomberg said that? How about people from Long Island, Westchester CT and NJ who lost loved ones. They should just sit down and shuddup? Fck Bloomberg and all the other muzz lovers.
All I can think is that his opponent back in 2002 must have been some kind of dipshit dickweed that the people of NYC thought this turd was the better alternative.
But I shouldn’t say anything, coming from the state that brought you the Congressional version of the Stidgeon Witches – Pelosi, Boxer and Feinstein.
And the loved ones of the New Englanders on those first planes that crashed into the towers….
For the record, I don’t think Bloomberg said that explicitly, but one of his assistants tweeted back something about ‘racist hearts’ being opposed to the mosque to Sarah Palin and Bloomberg backed the assisstant fully.
Bloomberg has been invoking the name of the slain NYPD officers and FDNY Jakes using the ‘opposition to the mosque is un-American and by extension disrecepcts their memory’ strawman while arguing for it……
Chucky steps on his dick again.
78 Charles Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:41:06am replyquote
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This is the link to the Marist poll:
[Link: maristpoll.marist.edu...]
The poll subset says that 53% of Manhattanites support the mosque, but this subset carries a margin of error much greater than the poll-wide margin of 3.5%, therefore it is not correct to say that a clear majority of Manhattanites support the mosque.
Oh good. Now Twitboy with a Tip Jar is going to explain away margin of error, relative frequency and statistics. This should be good. I did almost 100 semester hours of statistics at Berkely. Got an A. Enlighten me.
Same argument over Jones and the warming trend. You just don’t get it. It’s not the validity of the data, it’s the seriousness of the charge!
Post-normal science as applied to statistics.
The polling numbers for Manhattan have a larger margin of error. Of all 809 polled, the M.O.E. is ±3.5%. From the poll site .pdf:
This survey of 809 New York City residents was conducted July 28th through August 5th, 2010. Residents 18 years of age and older were interviewed by telephone. Telephone numbers were selected based upon a list of telephone exchanges from throughout the city. The exchanges were selected to ensure that each borough was represented in proportion to its population. Interviews were conducted in both English and Spanish. Results are statistically significant at ±3.5%. There are 696 Registered Voters. The results for this subset are statistically significant at ±4.0. The error margin increases for cross-tabulations.
A close approximation of the margin of error for any given poll is the inverse of the square root of the number polled. The more people polled the lower the error margin.
Because the number of Manhattanites polled are significantly less when taken by themselves, the margin of error is MUCH greater.
From Wiki, in 2009 NYC population was 8,391,881. The Borough of Manhattan had a population of 1,629,054, or 19% of the entire city.
19% of 809 total polled = 154 for Manhattan. Taking the results for Manhattan by itself (which is not what the poll does) gives a local margin of error of 8%.
And then chuck dismissed the poll with a wave of his tail:
90 Charles Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:47:45am replyquote
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The bottom line, in any case: in a legal sense it does not matter how the public “feels” about this.
Yeah, that’s as close as he’ll come to a correction on that – count on it (with MOE = 0% on that prediction).
“In a legal sense” — oh please, you’re a law school graduate now, Twitboy? Mark Levin, who IS a Constitutional lawyer, says your position is full of shit. And he actually files actual, like, really true briefs before the Supreme Court. So I listen to him.
Unlike you, who listens to a bag of Cheetos say “eat me.”
Using your facts – 809 polled, borough representation by relative population, MOE ~= sqrt(polled)^-1 – you get a MOE of around 8% for the Manhattanites 53% support figure.
I.e. the correctly characterized stat is 53% ±8%.
Waiting for update correction from Charles in 5,4,3,2,1,…
nils – you used funny math symbols. Twitboy with a Tip Jar will never get it. He’ll be waiting for Quack Quack to explain the symbols to him.
Chuckles: Law of large…huh?
Chuckles: Lemme see… If I have 2 kilos of Acapulco Gold, and 3 kilos of California Skunk, that’s…like…11.2 ounces!!!!!11
Beat you by 1 minute! (See above).
Oh, Lord. He posts a phony article, gets pw3ned, and now it doesn’t matter.
Why’d you post it in the first place, … naw never mind.
He does the same when folks talk about his own blog statistics. “Alexa ranking isn’t accurate.”
I know, darn it. And I meant mine as a reply to yours besides. Anyway, good doublecheck (by me), and good catch by you!
Nobody on the LGF thread did the math for the correct MOE, or did any more than dance around Charles’ misunderstanding, misrepresentation, and then tail-waving dismissal of the poll, BTW.
I love it when he pulls shit like this.
Damn, somebody send this to Ace or Weaselzippers. Especially Ace.
Arachne, I don’t expect Chuck or anybody over there to even get what the issue is, let alone know how to do these calculations. I sure don’t expect Lud to know how to do this (which is 200-level stats).
The poll specifically states that the percentages are based upon the 696 registered voters. 696 x 19% is 132 respondents from Manhattan, resulting in a margin of error of plus or minus 8.7%. This makes the range for approval to be somewhere between 44.3%-61.7%. Can’t claim that as a majority however you interpret it.
How about sending it to Pam Geller, too? She might get a CHUCKle out of it.
http://www.researchsolutions.co.nz/sample_sizes.htm
Charles also conveniently overlooks the fact that a huge percentage of the people who experienced those attacks not only don’t live in Manhattan, they don’t live in any of the five boroughs.
I was in Tower One when the first plane hit. I had just commuted in from Jersey City. Over the next few days I could smell the towers burning from the deck of my condo. I am against the construction of the Cordoba Mosque.
However, I visit LittleGreenFootballs every day. Charles is the proverbial fatal car wreck. I. Just. Can’t. Stop. Looking.
How about posting your reflections on The Blogmocracy? Email them to me or the admins. It’d be very appropriate for a post on the upcoming anniversary of the attacks.
Let me see what I can toss together. I’m launching a new Web site this week. I think I’ve got things pretty much under control but if you don’t hear from me, it means I was wrong:)
Either way, I am honored by the invitation. Thank you.